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Anne Dunnett

Haiku Poet, Creative Entrepreneur, Graphic Designer

Join me for a fascinating chat with Anne Dunnett, creative entrepreneur, designer, writer, and Haiku poet based on Vancouver Island, BC, Canada.

Anne’s first experience with Haiku came from her grandmother, opening a door that would lead her on a remarkable journey for the rest of her life. Her interest in seasonal living grew from Japanese Haiku and she was curious to learn more.

More than just 3 lines and a certain number of syllables, the philosophy of Haiku is based on connecting with nature, simplicity, everyday moments and the yearly seasonal cycles. Being on a personal journey of healing through holistic approaches has helped her be in the flow of life. She has a regular practice of yoga and meditation that helps her tune into the seasons and the natural cycles and rhythms of the earth.

Anne embodies seasonal living with a simplistic approach to life with a deep appreciation of nature which has allowed her to stay in a place of being.

Her Haiku poetry has won honourable mentions and has been critiqued and reviewed by some of the best – and best known – Haiku poets in Canada and the United States. She has been self-published and her works have been featured in Haiku anthologies, including Erotic Haiku and Vancouver’s Cherry Blossom Festival.

She has found her purpose and passion in showing others how to embrace a seasonal living lifestyle and tap into their creativity to unlock their spirituality and learn how to be in the moment.

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Hello and welcome to the Spiritual Solopreneur Podcast today my guest is Anne Dunnett. Anne is a creative entrepreneur, designer, writer, and haiku poet Anne’s Haiku. Poetry has been one honorable mentions. Anne has been critiqued and reviewed by some of the most prominent haiku poets in the US and Canada. She has found purpose and passion in showing others how to embrace a seasonal living lifestyle, tap into their creativity, unlock their spirituality, and learn to live in the present moment. Welcome Ann.

Thank you. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for coming. I’m excited to talk to you about haiku and other things.

Mm-Hmm, uh, so let’s start there. I think most people know what haiku poetry or have heard the term Mm-Hmm. haiku poetry, but don’t know too much about it. What is it and where does it come from?

Yeah, it’s always, it’s always a, an interesting question and challenging to answer sometimes <laugh>. It is, uh, originated in Japan, so it’s a Japanese form of poetry. And as you mentioned that Mo most people, I find that they know a little bit about what Haiku is. But what’s, what’s interesting is that there’s a lot of misconceptions about what it actually is.

And it, a lot of pe people may have learned about it in elementary school or school, and that it’s based on a, it’s a poem of three lines that has a syllable count of 17 syllables. So the first line’s five syllables, the middle line is seven syllables, and the last line line is five syllables again. And the focus is always about counting syllables and making sure that it stays within that format. So this is where I’m going to tell you that that’s not really what it’s all about. <laugh>. Okay.

<laugh>. And I was first introduced to Haiku in, in elementary school, like a lot of people, and my grandmother, uh, wrote Haiku as well. And she helped me with my school assignment to write my first haiku. And then I was going with this syllable count.

And it wasn’t until years later when I became a lot more interested in writing haiku, and I ended up joining the Vancouver Haiku Group. And that was when they basically just said, don’t count syllables. It’s not about counting syllables. And that the essence at the core of what haiku is, if like, I’m gonna back it up again, you can still write haiku following the5,7, 5 syllable count. And a lot of poets, haiku poets actually do follow that format. I just started to learn from a lot of the, uh, a more English language, um, I guess modern haiku poets, where they kind of scrapped that, um, that format and went a little freeform and followed more of the Japanese ways of being in the world, which is the essence of haiku is actually about being in the moment. And that, I think it’s the biggest, the biggest piece about it because it’s written in the present tense and that that part of it is what gives you what they call a haiku moment or a aha, a aha moment. So it’s, that’s one of the first things written in the present tense. And it is a seasonal form of poetry.

And again, going back into more of the Japanese, um, kind of cultures around how they, like when the Japanese ma kind of haiku masters, this is like 14th, 15th century in Japan, they’re very, um, passionate about connecting to nature in that, in the Japanese culture. So they would want to cor incorporate the seasons into their haiku. And that also is a way of, of giving it, um, a time, a time and a place. Because if you choose words that are in season, like, you know, we’re in winter right now, so you would, you know, talk about snow or, you know, different, different kind of words that are cold, cold-ish, but not just about the cold, but they, they have actually seasonal word lists that you can refer to, to maybe, you know, if you want a little bit of inspiration to write haiku. So it’s got, um, a, a seasonal word is called a keo, so they would include a seasonal word as well as, um, the senses. So, and when you’re tapping into your senses, that also takes you into the moment. So often you would hear the sound of water or the taste of chocolate, or the color of, uh, of a, a peach.

You know, like all of those things would make you feel like you’re actually there. Does that make sense? Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. So there is some structure with it though.

I mean, it’s still three lines, otherwise it’s not gonna be called a haiku poem. Right. Okay. Well, this is another thing that, that kind of blew that out the window when I know what I connected with these two.

I think, I think I would say the majority definitely is three lines. But I’ve, I’ve actually seen some haiku in print, in, in haiku anthologies. That’s one line. Oh, I’ve seen some in two lines, but the majority of them is definitely in three lines.

And the other part of haiku is that it actually, it creates images. So think of it as a painting or a photograph. So it’s really, uh, putting images into words. And so when the per, when the, when you’re, when you’re hearing a haiku or reading a haiku, it takes you in, it takes you into the moment, but it also is giving you visuals. And it also has two parts. So there will be two, two images.

So it would say, okay, let’s say cherry moon. I’m thinking about spring because I’m working on my spring content right now. <laugh>, I’m ready for spring <laugh>. So if you say cherry moon, then you would have a vision of a spring moon, or, you know, a full moon in the spring season because a cherry, cherry blossom cherries represent the spring season. Mm-Hmm.

And then I’m gonna spontaneously just rattle off maybe, uh, two lines, but there’s a break. So you’d say one image would be cherry moon, and then you would say like, you know, sitting on the beach a certain, you know, surrounded by, um, shells or, I don’t know. Yeah, yeah. Whatever. It happens, I go. Um, but the second two, the second and the third line flow, they’re connected and they flow a little bit better.

They flow together. So I don’t know if you’ve listened to any of my little videos. I do, you know, a one once a week, uh, video. And I, I will read the Haiku twice, and there’s always a little bit of a pause after the first line, and then I’ll go into the, the, the, the next two lines and they flow.

Gotcha. So, so it’s not really the structure, it’s, but it’s the content and the sound, the sense when you’re leaving, it’s not, not so much the, well, not so much the sound, but more, more of the feeling. Um, the feeling, feeling. And it’s, it’s more, it’s, it’s an experiential form of poetry.

Like, it doesn’t, it doesn’t tell you how to feel. It, it, it shows you how to feel or you, you feel the words if that’s making it sense. It shows you a way to feel, perhaps. Yeah.

Um, so interesting. So it’s, and I think that that is partly why a lot of people don’t understand haiku. ’cause there’s, there’s some profound simplicity about it that I think, uh, a lot of people are kind of scratching their heads kind of going, well, you know, I don’t really get this, what is it? And I remember years ago, um, I used to, when I was doing graphic design full time, I used to do little business cards with different, different, uh, little haikus on them and stuff.

And I re, I always remember giving them to this woman at a networking event, and she looked at it and she read it, and she looked at me and she was really confused. And she was just like, well, what, what do I do with this? And I said, you don’t do anything. And that’s, that’s what it is, is that it is, it doesn’t tell you to do anything like a, like a quote or an affirmation or something like that.

Like I, I believe that we have been so conditioned to be told to do something or to do something. And with haiku, it’s, it’s much the same as looking at a flower and, and, and just really, really looking at it instead of going, oh, yeah, there’s a flower. But looking at it, looking at the detail of it, looking at the essence of it and being curious about, about the nature of how it bloomed and the process that it goes through. Mm-Hmm.

So I, that’s where my passion about haiku comes in, is because I think that we need to get back to that place that connects us with, with nature and connects us to, to being connected with ourselves and to, to slow down and actually really experience the world. I’m, I’m slowing down right now, just hearing you talk about it. It’s, it sounds <laugh> And when I explain, when I explain this, when I explain haiku to people, then they’re like, it, it gets a little bit clearer about Oh, okay. It’s not, it’s not just, it’s fluffy words. <laugh>.

Yeah, exactly. Um, so you mentioned that it creates images and you do graphic art. So is that how you got in into graphic arts, was the No, not, not really. No.

<laugh>. Yeah. Okay. Um, as I, okay. Well, as I mentioned, I wrote my first Haiku when I was 10. Right.

<laugh>. And, and then I just never thought about it again. It wasn’t something where I was like, oh, I wanna be a Haiku poet when I grow up. You know, I wanted to do something that was gonna be really, really a money maker and practical, and you’re gonna laugh this, I wanted to become an artist <laugh>. So off I went to art school, and, uh, I quickly realized that I didn’t really wanna be a fine artist, and I switched over and went into graphic design because, you know, that’s a little bit more of that practical, which is still, hasn’t really been, you know, it’s been a bumpy, a bumpy road, but it’s always, I think it’s because my heart and my, my passion is, is with, with the haiku. But I, I did go to art school and then I graduated, um, I went to Capano College and was 21 when I got, got out and went into the big, the big scary world. And I realized that I didn’t love it.

Um, and I really wanted to do something that was a little bit more creative, kind of for my soul. And I ended up going into a craft fair, and I asked my grandmother if I could use her haiku. And I started making little art cards out of her poetry. And that was really how it evolved from, from that. And people seemed to really like them.

I continued doing craft fairs, and then I was freelancing. It was a really roller coaster. And it was in my twenties, you know, it’s feast or famine life back then, <laugh>. Yeah, for sure.

Um, and then, then I didn’t, I I, I just got really into, um, paper making and Japanese art, um, as far as book binding and making journals and, and selling things. Then I got into doing collage work. And then it was almost 18 years ago, I can’t believe it, when I started reading, um, more about Zen, Zen, uh, lifestyles. And I started meditating, going to yoga, taking care of myself better. And I ended up buying this massive book on Japanese culture, and it had a section in it about haiku, and it just intuitively spoke to me. And I just decided to start exploring it.

And I started writing a little bit. And that was around the same time where I ended up, uh, connecting with the Vancouver Haiku Haiku Group. And, and that was when I started Everyday Haiku. And I started writing my own poetry, which was pretty crappy back then. <laugh> <laugh>.

And, um, it’s taken me a long time to really, um, really figure it out because it’s, it’s, it’s almost like you, you have to actually internally come to a place where you’re, where you, you do feel that stillness within where you’re able to hold it and to live it, to be able to write haiku. And I explored for a brief period of time, about six or seven years ago, teaching people how to write haiku. And I just found that, um, well, for one thing, I don’t have an English, um, background in teaching people, you know, grammar and writing, and I’m, I’m still working on my own, you know, um, writing with it. So I realized that I, it, it didn’t speak to me as much about teaching people how to write haiku, but I realized that what people need, need to learn is, um, what it is and how to actually read it in a way that, that they feel it and they understand it before they can even think about writing it. ’cause I would have people in there trying to write it, and they were getting frustrated because it takes you, it takes you out of your head, it takes you out of your thinking mind, and it, it puts you more into your body and into your heart with your feelings. And Yeah.

If people are in that mindset of, of their mind is, is trying too hard and trying to think too much, they’re gonna have a really hard time trying to write haiku. Exactly. And, and it’s very meditative. I’m gathering reading it anyway.

Maybe not writing it if you’re getting frustrated, but, um, well, well, that’s for people who, who aren’t in that mindset, <laugh>. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, I’m a, I’m a would be meditator, <laugh> one of these days, but I, I have had spurts of time when I’ve, I’ve meditated, uh, and, and it’s extremely helpful.

Uh, and I, I also sort of, I tell myself that my meditation is my work. Sometimes I get, you know, when I’m creating something, creating anything, whether it’s a, a desi, a web design or a speech for Toastmasters or whatever it is, I’m getting outta my head. Um, is that the type of meditation or do you, do you actually sit down and meditate as well? You do A little bit of both. I’m, I’m gonna be perfectly honest, I’m very inconsistent with my meditation <laugh>.

It just depends. For, for me, going for a walk can be a form of meditation. So, you know, it, it’s, it’s, I think it’s just being, being in, in a place of quiet and like, a lot, I think a lot of, like, there’s, there’s so many different ways to meditate too. Like, you could do a guided meditation. Um, I do, sometimes I do a guided meditation. Sometimes I just sit for 15 minutes with complete silence. And I don’t think that you can ever stop your, your mind from the thinking.

Like, I think that you can just slow it down. And I just let things, thoughts come and go without tr trying. It’s, it’s just allowing things to be, to be there. Exactly.

And I think that’s, that’s the key to that is not judging Yeah. Things. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Just let them come and let them go.

And you’re, you’re, and sometimes weird thoughts come, come up and it’s like, where did that come from? That was really weird. But, you know, I, it’s just, uh, those can be very valuable, that <laugh>. Well, and sometimes, sometimes, uh, so, you know, I, I hear people say, oh, you know, I gotta download. And, you know, sometimes Mm-Hmm. you get these ideas and these thoughts about, oh, I should do this. And, you know, I I, I get that happen, happen.

You know, there, it’s, it’s, it’s a little random for me, I would say. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you.

<laugh>. I’m saying, I’m, I’m gonna ask you something. Um, you’re probably gonna laugh ’cause it’s silly, but, uh, nothing saying no <laugh>, uh, you’re, you’re talking about, uh, the seasonal aspect and, uh, living, um, seasonal living type of lifestyle. So what, what about if that’s great for here, you know, you and I are in BC Canada.

Mm-Hmm. We got seasons. Yeah. What, what if you live in South America or even San Diego where it’s the same weather all day, every day, all does it, is it, does that matter?

Can you still take advantage of this? Well, you know, it’s, it’s interesting that you, that you brought that up because I have this, uh, seasonal living, um, membership that I’ve just launched in Decem December. And, uh, a woman who I connected through networking, um, a couple of years ago, she’s in Florida and she’s been getting my newsletter since we connected. And she loves it.

And I had a call with her, um, a couple of weeks ago. And, uh, she’s joined the circle and I said that to her. I said, well, Lisa, you’re in Florida. You’re not really experiencing seasons.

Um, or do you, you know, I asked her, and, and she goes, yeah, fall is fall here is maybe a week. <laugh>. Yeah, <laugh>. Um, but what she, ’cause I said, I’m talking about snow a lot right now.

And she, she loves it. Like, she goes, I love I, she goes, I wish I could live in the Four Seasons. So now she gets to experience four seasons in, in a different way. Um, and it’s not just about the weather.

Um, each season actually holds a different type of energy. So the, they’re all the seasons are connected to the, the moon cycles that we go through in a month. So the new moon is connected to the winter season. And the winter season is really about rest and reflection. And that’s when we should all be really hibernating like a bird, a a bird, a bear, <laugh>, you know, slowing down. And it’s not about being completely lazy and, you know, lounging around all the time, but it is just, um, tapping into re like looking at nature and why, why do the leaves fall off the trees and why does everything go into stillness? And, and I think if we started to look and question some of these things and tap into those types of energies that we would be more in harmony with the earth, which I believe is a lot healthier way to live.

So, exactly. We’re starting, we’re slowly starting to shift to spring. I was just outside and I went to the bank and I was, um, there was a, a, a little patch of, um, flowers that were starting to pop up, and it was super exciting. Wow. Wow. Already. Yeah.

Awesome. I know already, and it’s cold out. Yeah, it’s still chilly. But when we, but when we start moving into the spring season, that is when we experience every birth, like in, in inside of ourselves, like start planting seeds. Like what kind of, um, you know, emotional seeds, like not physical seeds, <laugh>, but um, really the spring should be the new year.

Like New Year’s is up and Christmas is even at the wrong time. <laugh>, I agree. <laugh>, <laugh>. So with spring is really when we should not so much resolutions because you know, nobody really, really does those anymore, but, um, some people might, uh, but spring is, is the time to set those goals and plant those seeds and, and, you know, look at the future.

What, what do you want over the next year? And, and a lot of these things are, are connected to astrology. You know, I’m, I, I’m not, like, I know a little bit about astrology, but not that much. Um, but the moon cycles are connected to, to the, to astrology. And so the spring is, uh, represents the waxing moon, which is in between the full moon and the new moon. And that’s, that’s when the spring is about that. Yeah.

The rebirth and new beginnings. And it also is connected, although this, those seasons are connected into a 24 hour period. So the spring would be first thing in the morning. Oh, summer. Summer would be in the afternoon. Okay.

And then fall is early evening, and then winter is when you’re sleeping. That makes total sense. I know <laugh> totally makes, doesn’t it sense? Yes, it does. Fantastic. So it has nothing to do with the weather.

You can be, you can live anywhere and experience seasonal living. I think so. You know what, I guess it is just a personal thing. Like some people, you know, so if somebody’s living in, in, um, Africa, they, they, they might not have any interest in, in, you know, tapping into, you know, north America seasons where it gets a little bit tricky is for people who are living like in New Zealand or Australia because they’re seasons are completely opposite.

Right. So, um, that would be a little bit of a challenge. Um, not there yet. <laugh> Yes. With the author <laugh>. So like driving on the other side of the road, <laugh>. Yeah. So it’s, it’s basically, I would say that this is suited more for people who are living in North America.

Northern hemisphere. Yeah. Yeah. Northern he hemisphere.

Yeah, exactly. Well, there’s plenty of people living in the Northern Hemisphere, so there is <laugh>. We can, we can reach lots of people with this. Um, you mentioned, um, that you don’t teach people to write haiku so much.

So what goes on in your program? Can you give us a little bit of a glimpse? Uhhuh. Mm-Hmm. uh, they get, uh, um, one haiku a week, which is a seasonal haiku.

So I’m getting, um, I’m inspiring, I’m hoping inspiring people to use, to use the Haiku as more of a tool or, um, what’s the word? I don’t wanna say reminder, but an inspiration to, to pause. You know, they’ve got the haiku. Some haiku might, they might love some, you know, not so much, but it’s not even really so much about the Haiku, but they have that one haiku for the week. And say, if you’re stressed or having a horrible morning, or you know, something’s happened or whatever, you can use the haiku as almost a way to ground yourself or to just go, oh, um, I’m gonna just pause. I’m gonna look at these words. I’m gonna slow down and I’m gonna just, it, it, it can calm, calm you down.

Right. So they get, they get one Haiku a week. They also get, uh, seasonal journal, which, um, is again, they get, uh, a Haiku Week in the journal, and then they have pages for journal writing that they can write, they can print out. And it’s a hundred and something pages like a hundred. It’s about a hundred pages, which you have created. Which I have designed.

Yes. I’ve designed the journal. So they get a journal, they get a weekly, um, inspiration. So on Monday it’s called Monday Moments, and they get a little video from me. It’s about 10 minutes of, you can either listen to the video or, or watch it or whatever, or read the text so they get a message. And it’s broken into themes, monthly themes.

Uh, this month is love because, you know, we’ve got that silly little day coming <laugh> coming up. <laugh>. Yes. But I’ve, I’ve turned it into self-love, self-care.

Nice. Um, it’s heart-based. It’s about relationships. It’s, it’s more that and, and incorporate a little bit of the winter season into it.

So, you know, December it was, was around the holidays in January. It was about, uh, you know, setting those goals and vision boarding and, you know, having, having a vision for the year. And then this month, um, is about, is about love. And then, and then I’m moving into spring, in into March, which will be, um, talking about a seasonal, you know, it’s shifting, um, seasons. And then we get into the Equinox, and then cherry blossoms are going to be for April, because the cherry blossom is a really big, um, symbol in Japan for the spring season. So it’s, it’s inspiring people to connect with nature.

And then, then I include the, the moon cycle of the week. Oh, and on the, on the New Moon and the Full Moon, I put in a little bit of astrology, like, the New Moon is in the sign of Sagittarius and this is what that would mean. And the New Moon is for setting intentions, and the Full Moon is more about creativity and it’s about the summer season. And then on Wednesday they get a Wednesday, uh, WIS Wisdom Wednesday, and it’s just a little bit of a recap of the haiku. And then they get a download, which could be last couple weeks ago or last week.

I gave them a little wallpaper graphics that they can put on their phone. And then I’ve done, um, affirmations. I’ve done, you know, nine tips for staying in the moment during the Christmas holidays. And also, what else have I done? Uh, I did, I gave everybody a bunch of recipes that are healthy for heart, you know, nice.

For, for January. And then I also, uh, once a month do a live with another practitioner. Um, we’ve done a yoga class that was for the winter solstice, and the yoga instructor is just lovely. And we did it on Zoom, and the yoga class was all around the stillness of winter. Okay.

And then for spring, she’s gonna do it again. And that will be more, uh, more, uh, I, I don’t know if it’ll be a faster paced class, but it will be around the theme of spring, more of a spark, maybe <laugh>. What’s that? Maybe more of a spark. More of More of a spark. Exactly. And then I had another lady that came in, um, and did an Ayurvedic, uh, health, um, health and wellness presentation for healthy foods for what to eat in the winter season.

And then this month I have an astrologer coming in and she’s gonna talk about the moon cycles. Awesome. Oh my gosh, this is so creative. Yes. And absolutely jam packed with stuff. <laugh> Yeah.

For people to expand spirituality and just, uh, get into a meditative Oh. And learn, I forgot one, I forgot one thing On Friday. On Friday I have Freedom Friday, and I do a, a little recap, but I also give them an activity prompt to do over the weekend, which is connected to the senses, uh, forest bathing, you know, focus on your sense of smell when you go for a walk. Um, you know, leave your phone at home.

Um, <laugh>, you know, just being more mindful of being present. And I think that this repetitive, and it’s basically just rinse and repeat every week, but they get a different haiku. There’s a different season, there’s a, you know, it’s still different, but there’s a, a similar format where their habits will start to change. And it’s, it’s very subtle. Yeah.

As long as they do it <laugh>. Exactly. Exactly. And, and they, they will learn to be Yes.

More than do. Correct. And, and correct me if I’m wrong, but if you learn to be, that will help, that will allow you to do more actually. Yep. I think so. Mm-Hmm. That’s, that’s my opinion. <laugh>. I, well, I, I agree.

Because, you know, if you’re, if you’re trying to do too much and you’re overwhelmed and scattered and your mind is all, you know, wired and stuff, you’re, you’re not able to focus, you’re not able to be that productive. Exactly. And then if you take that, that step back and do, you know Yes. Be, which is really what Haiku is all about. And the seasonal living is, is about being, and that, and, and the being and the doing is, again, what Haiku is about. Because remember I was saying that we’re so used to being told what to do. <laugh> and Haiku takes you, it takes you in, it takes you inward.

Mm-Hmm. Whereas it’s not telling you to do anything. It’s, it’s sh it’s, I don’t know if, if showing is the right word, it’s feeling, it’s, it’s, it’s connecting with that sense of being, being in the moment, being present to the words. Exactly. Fantastic. Final words for our audience. Words of wisdom, advice, <laugh>, <laugh>. Next time you go for a walk, be present.

<laugh>, open your eyes. Smell the air. Taste the air, stick your tongue out. Do weird things. Hug a tree, touch the grass. <laugh>.

That’s, that’s awesome. You know, and, and it’s just, it’s just really looking, looking at where you’re looking around and, and that’s really what, what Haiku is, is about. Awesome. At the core. Yeah. Fantastic. And how will people find out more about you and be able to sign up for your program?

Uh, I have it, uh, I believe you’re gonna put it in the, in the, in the, certainly the notes, whatever they call those things. <laugh>. The, the, the description box. Description box below <laugh>, um, um, Um, I, right now, my, um, offer for everyday seasonal living is, is being hosted on a separate, a separate site. Right now, I haven’t integrated them, so I’ve

Okay. And, um, it’s $37 a month. Um, and I think, I think it’s, uh, I think it’s worth it. <laugh> awesome.

Sounds like it’s definitely jam packed with information and would be a great deal. But it’s, it’s, it’s, it is, but it isn’t, it’s, it’s like, um, most, you know, it’s like any kind of membership, it’s like you, you know, what you put in is what you’re gonna get out of it, so. Exactly. Excellent. Um, I would say it’s more, if you’re gonna break it down into how much time is required for it a week, it’s, it’s like 30 minutes a week. Yeah. Really. If, you know, and if you don’t have 30 or more if you want, I guess.

Well, exactly. You could do an hour. Um, you know, ’cause people are like, oh, I don’t have enough time. I’m too busy <laugh>. So Yeah. That’s why you should do it, <laugh>.

Yeah, exactly. <laugh> to slow down. To slow down. Well, and thank you so much for introducing this fabulous resource that I, that people have probably heard of, but going into depth about it and learning how it can really benefit them is, is a fantastic benefit.

Mm-Hmm. So thank you for that. And uh, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. It’s been really fun. Yeah, it’s been great. Awesome.

Mm-Hmm. And, uh, we’ll talk to you soon. Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye.